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Politics and P. Diddy Ft. Katie Dickieson: Unpacking what really matters
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In this episode, Katie Dickieson and Kelly Noble discuss the complexities of politics, the importance of understanding humanitarian issues, and the role of wealth in creating systemic change. They explore the impact of media, the historical context of racism, and the conversation emphasizes the need for critical thinking, representation in leadership, and the importance of building wealth for women and marginalized groups to drive positive systemic change.
Katie Dickison is a certified quantum coach, has a master's in biomedical engineering from Cornell University, is certified in holistic nutrition and is an Amazon bestselling author writing Remember Who The Fuck You Are. She also works with neurodivergent corporate leaders who are ready to advocate for change.
This episode challenges will challenge you to rethink your relationship with wealth, power, and politics. By the end, you’ll feel more informed, empowered, and ready to make impactful moves.
Takeaways
Wealth empowers women to create systemic change.
Understanding both sides of political issues is crucial.
Humanitarian issues often get lost in political debates.
Language used in media can influence public perception.
Historical context is essential for understanding current issues.
The anti-vaccine movement has deep roots in misinformation.
Research and critical thinking are vital for informed decisions.
Representation in leadership can drive change.
Community support is essential for marginalized groups.
Activism requires self-care and awareness.
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Politics and Personal Growth
03:13 Understanding Political Complexity
06:02 Humanitarian Issues in Politics
09:10 The Role of Media and Language in Politics
11:56 Historical Context of Racism and Division
15:03 The Impact of Vaccines and Public Health
17:53 The Anti-Vaccine Movement and Its Implications
20:55 The Importance of Research and Critical Thinking
23:58 The Role of Wealth in Creating Change
27:03 Building Wealth for Women and Marginalized Groups
29:49 Leadership and Systemic Change
32:52 The Importance of Third Parties in Politics
35:59 The Electoral College and Its Implications
38:59 The Need for Representation in Leadership
41:48 The Role of Community in Political Change
45:04 Final Thoughts on Activism and Self-Care
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S2MTS- Katie (00:01.538)
Welcome to the Manifest That Shift podcast with your girl, Kelly Noble. And I'm so excited because today I have one of my besties who is about to school us on politics. So her and I were chatting the other day and she was helping me set up like my brand voice and chat GBT. It was literally life -changing. And then we were like, okay, this is too much business. Can we talk about like celebrity gossip?
And then we went through this huge rabbit hole about P Diddy. Don't even get me started on all of the baby oil.
Katie Dickieson (00:40.379)
You
S2MTS- Katie (00:42.254)
And full transparency, as much as I am an advocate for creating systemic change, I am not that well -versed in politics. Like, I do the best that I can, but honestly for me, and I feel like for most people, it's confusing. It's hard to really dissect, like, what is real factual information that's coming from both sides.
And she was teaching me more about the third party. And as the conversation evolved, I was like, this is exactly why I want women to have more wealth. Because the more wealth that we have, the true impact that we can create in terms of getting policies changed, getting real root issues shifted into really being in service for the people.
So I learned about like the Green Party. I learned about both sides. And what I love about Katie is she always comes with facts. And so with election season coming up, I thought this would be a perfect episode so we can dive more into making an informed decision on what to do. So I'll let Katie introduce herself. I know she's in this huge transition of pivot season in her business. Like I feel like most of us have been feeling this entire year.
So I'll let Katie kind of just introduce herself and then like we'll dive into all of the info.
Katie Dickieson (02:14.031)
Awesome, thank you, Kelly. And I just wanna mirror back to you. Like it makes me so happy that you are so transparent about being like, I didn't really know how things work or whatever because like that's where I started from. And I feel like a lot of times, especially with like such heated topics, people will get emotional about them and fight about something that they don't even know is true before they'll actually like, sorry. They're a lot of nice guys.
S2MTS- Katie (02:43.906)
Charlie!
Katie Dickieson (02:44.195)
Of course, the land guy is coming and blowing all the leaves right now. I'm like, wow, the time I really need to think. But I just think that it's so important because I think a lot of times when we get into these debates or conversations, if we don't know much, then we'll just blindly go from rage or anger or frustration. And so it's like, I'm not an expert in this. I just have spent a lot of time researching things because it's important to me.
But so my name is Katie Dickison. I have my master's in biomedical engineering from Cornell University. I also have a certificate in holistic nutrition and I am also a quantum coach. I do coaching. I am pivoting to working more with leadership in corporate situations that are looking to bring more understanding to
neurodiversity and expanding on that. So, and I'm also the author of Remember Who the Fuck You Are.
S2MTS- Katie (03:53.08)
She's like, before this, she was like, I don't like doing these, but you know, I can just drop Cornell, biomedical engineering, no big deal. I'm also like a Amazon bestselling author, coach, you know, no biggie. I love you, Katie.
Katie Dickieson (03:58.779)
Thank
Katie Dickieson (04:11.985)
Well, honestly, I was like, this is going to be the first time that it's easy for me to introduce myself because when I first got my certificate in holistic nutrition, the reason that I was inspired to go back to university, I was pre -med originally. I wasn't even in research and it was because I wanted to mind the gap of like Eastern and Western medicine. so like having both sides of the holistic nutrition and
the wellness community and also being a scientist, I think really helps me to see both sides and the feelings that everyone feels.
S2MTS- Katie (04:49.122)
I think that's one of the things that I love most about you. And I think that's one of the things that we like bond over is almost like the science and the woo. And even when I think about politics, one of the things that my husband is always impressed with is, you know, he's like, you will always watch like CNN, you'll always watch Fox News, you'll always want to see what both sides of the parties are saying. So then you can kind of decipher and see what resonates and what's true to you. And I think for me,
with big political things and issues that come up. And honestly, for a lot of the things that we call political, I feel like are so humanitarian. The first example that comes to mind is Israel and Palestine. For me, I don't know. Like, I honestly, I've gone through the rabbit holes. I've tried to figure out, like, where is all of this stemming from?
And if I just put the politics aside, for me, what feels good in my belief systems and my values and my body is this is a humanitarian issue. I don't care who is doing what to who. All I care about is that innocent lives are being taken. And in my opinion, for no valid reason. I just don't, I'm the, I am that bitch that's like.
Katie Dickieson (06:02.38)
and
S2MTS- Katie (06:09.696)
Make love, not war. Like, why are we fighting over stupid things? And maybe that's divisive, but I don't think that there's anything that we could be fighting over that deserves to take so many innocent lives. just, period. End of story. I don't care if it's money. I don't care if it's religion. I don't care about any of those things. We are taking innocent people's lives that shouldn't be taken. And on both sides, there's people in Israel that have their lives being taken. There are people in Palestine that are having their lives being taken.
Katie Dickieson (06:25.444)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (06:39.49)
that are innocent, that have nothing to do with whatever the conflict is focused on. And then of course, when I talk to Katie and we're learning about it, it's all about like oil and money and how the world has big pharma, how basically the world, just like the United States we see so present, is a business. And it's honestly to me so disgusting. So.
Katie Dickieson (06:53.125)
Big Pharma.
Katie Dickieson (07:05.637)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (07:07.577)
Katie, let's kind of like dive into some of the nitty gritty. Like I said, Katie came with facts, so let's talk about some facts.
Katie Dickieson (07:16.305)
Well, right off the bat, I do want to say something that is probably going to be polarizing, I think the most important part, like you said, when coming at politics is to look at the humanitarian aspect of it, right? And so when I look at, and I don't know every single detail of the genocide going on in Palestine, but I do know that this did not start on October 7th. This is not the way that it's being portrayed. This has been going on for over 70 years.
And the other part is that, you know, constantly we're being told that Hamas is this terrorist group, right? And I have a really big problem with that because, and I know a lot of other people do, because Hamas was elected into office for Palestine. And so I just find, and yes, there have been terrorist type.
things that they've done, but at the same time, why is Israel not being called terrorists for the acts that they are doing? And I have a really big problem with this because there is a, like, not law, but there's this belief in the United States that we don't deal with terrorists. So the second that you label someone as a terrorist, that means that there is absolutely zero negotiation process between them, which is why it just
automatically creates these wars and automatically creates this hostility because instead of looking at these people as though this is their government and that this is like, these are their people, we automatically label terrorism and automatically like dehumanize these people and make it so that like we are not willing to talk with them or have any interaction with them except for to use brute force. And I think that that in it in and of itself,
by labeling terrorism and by not even looking at the human aspect of it really causes a lot of fucking problems.
S2MTS- Katie (09:19.852)
Yeah, I feel like so many of the issues that we're saying in politics is not truly looking at the human experience and looking at, right, the collective good for all. And especially when we think about spirituality, we're talking about manifestation, we're talking about all of these things. We're always doing it in the highest good of ourselves in the collective. And I feel like the collective piece is being taken out of that context time and time again.
Katie Dickieson (09:40.859)
Yes.
S2MTS- Katie (09:47.328)
And again, this is coming from both parties. This is not just from one side or the other. But as you were saying that, Katie, I felt like this like warmness in my like sacral. And I was like, it almost reminds me of the United States and when the Capitol got attacked. And it's like, that was a terrorist attack, but here we are not using that word.
Katie Dickieson (09:49.659)
Mm -hmm.
Katie Dickieson (10:05.551)
of the insurrection.
Katie Dickieson (10:11.728)
Yeah, that's domestic terrorism. Like that's exactly what it was.
S2MTS- Katie (10:16.244)
And how we're even just like, so I don't, like, I don't know, I don't know why, right? Is it because we're wanting to be selective with the people that are doing it that we don't want to say terrorist, right? Because I feel like, I feel like we see it so often, right? We saw a literal terrorist attack happening at the Capitol and they were called protesters. They were called.
you know, they weren't really called anything like, I don't know, like bad. I don't know the word. But then we look at Elijah McClain, who was an innocent black boy. And I live in Colorado. Like, I remember this very vividly happening. Peaceful protesters were going. Elijah McClain played violin. There were, there was music. There was artists going to this protest, playing the violin, honoring his life.
Katie Dickieson (10:51.131)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (11:13.374)
and bringing awareness to an innocent boy's life that was taken at the hands of police brutality. And I remember the police going there and being using so much brute force. And of course, instead of being peaceful protesters, they're like, but they are rioters. like, have, they use such specific language. I feel like based on whatever narrative is gonna help feed the division and the divide.
and the story, right? That's how we stay even more separated. you want to protest to help save and be an advocate for police brutality against Black people. And you want to use all this violent language for that. But when you're a bunch of white people and you are literally destroying the Capitol, you are literally putting
Katie Dickieson (11:56.837)
then you're a rioter.
S2MTS- Katie (12:09.43)
our democracy. Yeah, people got shot and killed like,
Katie Dickieson (12:09.925)
killing people like people died.
Katie Dickieson (12:16.337)
police officers were murdered, like.
S2MTS- Katie (12:19.712)
Like, where is the language of terrorism and rioters for that?
Katie Dickieson (12:24.261)
Well, you know, this has like a very long history to this and this goes all the way back to, so when this goes all the way back to when people who were enslaved were coming over from Africa or were taken from Africa. And at the same time that indentured servants were coming from mainly Ireland.
And what happened was back then, indentured servants and people who were enslaved were at the same level. So when that was happening, they were having babies and creating families. And then people were having mixed babies and the government was like really upset about that. And that's how police came to be in this country. They decided, the elite white people decided we're going to give indentured servants guns.
and we're gonna have, we're gonna militarize them, we're gonna create police officers, and then that way we are giving them some type of power, which then elevates them above people who are enslaved, which then creates that divide of now I'm better than you, and also it's illegal for me to interact with you, but now I'm in charge of you. So it's like, that all stems even like back further than that, but like that moment was fucking huge in creating this like militarization against and just,
pure fucking racism, know, and creating levels and layers between different ethnic groups to say, I'm better than you, even though I'm not like the best, but at least I'm better. They're not treating me as bad as they're treating you, so I don't need to worry.
S2MTS- Katie (14:01.61)
Yeah, I remember learning a lot about that when I read the New Jim Crow, one of the most activating books I've ever read. I was so upset reading that entire book and they go into more history and detail about that. So anyone that's like interested in learning more about that, that is a really good book because essentially what happened after after quote unquote slavery was ending, it was it was
the wealthy, the elite, the white that were in control and they felt like their power was being slipped because poor white people, if poor white people and poor black people and the enslaved people worked together, they could overthrow the wealthy white. And so how did, how do they create division and how do they create divide? Well, as long as you are white, you are still better than being black.
Katie Dickieson (14:45.765)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (14:55.702)
And then that's where the separation divided. And then you even see how that manifests into like colorism. we can't even.
Katie Dickieson (15:04.123)
I know, was like, this is gonna be a five hour long podcast. I mean, we were on the phone that day, or we worked together that day for seven hours, so.
S2MTS- Katie (15:11.758)
Like yeah, I'm like, okay, we can't even get into all of these conversations I mean we can maybe on a different podcast, but let's let's stay focused
Katie Dickieson (15:18.545)
I do wanna link this to something else that was part of the conversation that we wanted to have, and that is vaccines. And also going back to COVID, and we don't even need to get into COVID exactly, but there was this mentality that came more from conservative sides of being survival of the fittest, right? And this is so fucking detrimental.
Us as humans, we are not animals. We have capacity for compassion and empathy and being able to care for one another and actually build up. Animals don't have that. And so when you use words, because the reason why survival of the fittest was used was for anti -vaxxers to be like, this is for us, we'll just get rid of the people that won't survive. And it's like, okay, well, it's really fucked up thinking, first off, my opinion.
But like, secondly, if you dive into that even deeper, that is total fucking racism, sexism, ableism. Like the second you get into the idea of survival of the fittest, like money comes into place, like every single detail that it's not survival of the fittest. We have been built as a society based on like we're an organism in itself and we have community and we have all of these like
societal things that have created who we are. That's not how animals work. So survival of the fittest doesn't even fucking make sense to even be an option when it comes to human beings. And that also created a huge divide.
S2MTS- Katie (16:57.14)
Mm. Thank you so much for like pointing that out. It makes complete sense, right? Because when I do think about survival of the fittest, I think about a very animalistic thing. And even when I'm like injured, I think about this sometimes I'm like, if the world ended tomorrow, and I had to like fight for my life, but I'm physically harmed right now, what would that even look like that that would be so challenging. And then there's people that like ableism, right? There are literally people that
This is their existence all of the time. The entire system and structures of like just transportation in itself, getting into a building is not built for people that are in a wheelchair or have maybe a different disability. So I'm so happy you said that. And it reminds me again of the conversation we talked about so much the other day, but it reminds me of the conversation around Kennedy. I was like, I have no idea.
I see Kennedy stuff everywhere. I have no idea. And then we started talking about the anti -vaxxers. And I feel like what you were sharing about Kennedy, and I'll let you tell the whole story, but it reminds me again of, I don't know a lot about politics, but for me, it comes back to morals, values, integrity. And learning about this story, I was like, the math doesn't math. You can shit in one hand and dream in the other. You have someone saying all of these incredible things, acting like it's for,
for the people, but the behavior is saying something completely different. So why are we just trusting someone's word when their actions are the things that speak loudest?
Katie Dickieson (18:32.389)
Yes, it's all about fucking actions and it's so hard when people just like go based off of people say. When it comes to Kennedy, so this it's so funny because I like this is these are topics I've wanted to talk about for so long and so I really appreciate you like giving me this platform to do this. But it's also going to be a little triggering for people because there's this whole belief in ideology behind the.
yoga moms, wellness community pipeline from anti -vaxxers because of autism to being Trumpers now. And it's like this whole idea, right? And I've seen it. I see it in our community. I see it all around, especially being in Florida. But the thing is, like some of the specifics about Kennedy, right? He is part of this nonprofit that notoriously for years,
has spread misinformation about vaccines. And even if there's a possibility that a vaccine could have led to autism, that would have had to have been the vaccines that came out in the 50s that were filled with heavy metals. Our vaccines are not filled with that anymore. And I am not pro -vaccine and I am not anti -vaccine. I was pro -vaccine during the pandemic at the time because I was like, this is about herd immunity.
The more that, because we as a community, work as an organism. So the more that we are immune to this, the faster, less people will die basically. Now it's like, I had a friend the other day who texted me and she's like, I know that your beliefs are on both sides and it's really important to me. She's pregnant and she's like really worried about how many vaccines now are needed for their babies by the CDC. And she also, I was like, be honest with me. I'm like, did you get...
a COVID vaccine when you were supposed to quote unquote, right? And she was like, no. And I was like, then don't get it. she had like four miscarriages before she ever was even able to have this baby. And now she never even had the COVID vaccine. And now they're trying to force her to get it and her baby. now as a community, we are far enough along that we have developed natural immunities to this. This isn't like polio or measles or whatever they are.
Katie Dickieson (20:55.505)
These aren't these viruses that now are starting to exist again in our world because people have stopped getting vaccinated against them. But like as a society, we are evolving in our antibodies and our natural immunities. So like this all comes back to like making sure you do your own research because like there are some vaccines that I'm 100 % yes for. There's some other vaccines that I'm like, you can wait.
Your baby is not going to school until four years old, spread them out, whatever it is. But this problem, especially as someone who is autistic, it like pisses me off that all like this whole idea that these vaccines are what is causing autism. And the fact that he's part of this nonprofit that continuously spreads lies like that, I think that that's super detrimental. His forms of quote unquote activism in the past have included him like,
capturing a bear and leaving it in Central Park. There was supposed, and like, this is also like, this is why it's important for everyone to do their own information, because now I'm just like off of the top of my head thinking of things. But like the whole reason why people were so excited for Kennedy to be a candidate was number one, his name's Kennedy. So yes, this is sounds great for the United States, right? But also because he is highly anti -vax and he's not Trump.
So immediately what I noticed when he came into the scene was that everyone, not everyone, but most of the people that I know and are friends of mine and in my community that are in the wellness community are like, yes, this guy is anti -vaxxer, this is great, all these things are wonderful, without stopping to look at the rest of like the whole person that he is or the things that he stands for or the things that he's done in his past.
And I just think that that is so detrimental, especially to be someone who's like, I'm running for president and now he's like backing Trump. And it's like, okay, well, I understand people want complete autonomy of their bodies and all of these things. But when we stop vaccinating our kids against measles and polio and stuff like that, like kids are dying because their parents aren't getting them vaccinated because they're like, if I'm an anti -vaxxer, I have to be
Katie Dickieson (23:13.169)
100 % an anti -vaxxer it's like that is not safe. That is not sustainable. That is stupid. Like I'm just like it is. It's still like you're literally putting your child in harm's way when the disease doesn't exist. Meaning that in our natural environment for the holistic community that wants to do everything naturally, there naturally is no way to defend yourself against a disease that will kill you like that because it doesn't exist anymore.
S2MTS- Katie (23:40.588)
Yeah, I think that's such a valid point. And I it's interesting because we had this conversation before and I guess I didn't realize how anti -vax I guess like the wellness community is. And for me, it just feels so full of privilege to only think about you and yourself because again, it goes back to
Katie Dickieson (23:58.368)
Mmm.
S2MTS- Katie (24:05.122)
what isn't the greatest good of yourself and also the collective as a whole. And I feel like that is one of the biggest challenges that we see, especially living in the United States, is that we have become such an individualistic society. And it's no longer about your neighbor, right? It's no longer about the other people. It's only about me and what I believe and what I think is right. And there's such a dismissal of...
science and there's such a dismissal and we have to remember like spirituality and science are very intertwined if you open your mind to it. The same way that Christianity and religion is very intertwined with spirituality like when you open your mind to it and to be so skewed one way or the other and I honestly feel like most people don't even really know why like
Katie Dickieson (24:39.909)
Absolutely.
Katie Dickieson (24:57.68)
Yep.
S2MTS- Katie (24:58.542)
I'm the type of girl, you know what, I'm looking at ingredients, I don't want any natural flavor, I... My shampoos, my food, literally everything. The way that I heal my body, it's always very Eastern medicine, it's very holistic, it's very based on spirituality. It's like the whole spectrum, right? Mind, body, spirit. I believe that's where healing comes from. And Western medicine makes sense when Western medicine makes sense.
Katie Dickieson (25:25.815)
Yes, when it's not just pushed by big pharma and everything else, which I want to go back to really quick because I don't want to forget about this. But when we were talking about Palestine and Israel, something fascinating I learned when I was at Cornell that like blew my fucking mind was that at the time, which is four years ago, at the time, the country that was number one in like biotech and pharma was Israel. And I'm assuming still is.
and at the time the U S was 16th. So when you go back to all of that, because another thing I know that we want to talk about is big pharma and the NRA is involvement in politics and all of that. But like, when you look at that and also the United States is positioning with Israel to control the middle East based on the wars over oil in the past, like this is a pattern. Like it's a strategic partnership.
for big pharma and controlling oil. And that is where the business aspect comes from. And it's like so disheartening because it's like, this is what you care about more than people's lives. What the fuck is going on?
S2MTS- Katie (26:36.918)
Yeah, we care about and by we, I mean the government system and those in control. We care about profit over people. We care about money over anything. it's such a like when I say that out loud, it's such a conflicting place sometimes for me to live in because I'm so passionate about wealth building. I'm so passionate about.
Katie Dickieson (26:46.874)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (27:03.054)
creating millionaires and billionaires, right? That's what I want to do. And it's never at the cost of the holistic picture. Again, it goes, I don't know why this.
Katie Dickieson (27:15.569)
because you weren't looking for money to control. And that's the problem is that big pharma politicians and like the NRA, all of these things are looking to control things. You're looking for more freedom. You want to build wealth. And this is what this is all about is to help women understand why it's so important for us to build wealth so that we can make these bigger changes.
And just like you were saying, like not knowing about all the independent parties or the other third parties that exist that like can't get leverage in an election because they're not connected with the NRA or with big pharma. And that's where all of the money comes from for these elections.
S2MTS- Katie (27:57.198)
It's just like so, so wild. It's like, it's like shocking, but not surprising. You know, when you hear these things and you're just like, of course it's for profit. It's always for profit. Literally every, especially in the United States, I'm a firm believer that our food is the way that it is because it is meant to keep us sick. So we can feed the pockets of big pharma.
Katie Dickieson (28:06.417)
Mm -hmm.
Katie Dickieson (28:21.637)
This in the well -being community, this is a big deal and I just have to say this because this is one of my biggest fucking annoyances in the entire world is everyone being anti -GMO because the GMO is not the pro it reminds me of like when you're you're talking about manifestation and people are like, I hate money, like money's evil or money's bad. And it's like, no, money is a tool. Like money is not bad. It is actually a tool. The way in which you use it can be bad.
And that is how GMOs work. GMOs could literally solve world hunger overnight. You could make all fruits and vegetables and everything have the highest nutrition density possible to make sure people have the nutrition they need. But instead, what we do in America is we pump or we create all of these GMOs so that they are less nutritious, so that they are bigger, and so that they look prettier.
That's why I fucking love Misfits Marketplace because I'm like, I don't care if my food's ugly as long as it's more nutritious.
S2MTS- Katie (29:20.846)
And we have to be more concerned, I feel like, than I feel like more than the genetically modified foods. It's what is being sprayed on those foods. It's not how they were birthed and born and created. It's how, how were they watered and nurtured? It's like, it's like, it's like my one of my most favorite metaphors is when I think about life, when I think about my spirit, when I think about myself, when I think about the collective, when I think about so many things.
Katie Dickieson (29:35.418)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (29:49.098)
it always goes back to earth, right? It goes back to the soil and the seed and the watering and the sun and the growth. And when we think about our foods, sure, the seed might be a little genetically modified. may be crossbred a little bit. But to your point, Katie, it's like you can make this the most. Nutritious food possible. And if you're spraying that food with chemicals that are so freaking harmful and toxic, it doesn't matter what that.
It doesn't matter what the seed was, because the soil was ruined.
Katie Dickieson (30:20.975)
Yeah. I mean, that's also like a big part of this is another thing we could go down lines because I used to work on a farm and that's when I learned about cross planting. I can't remember the exact word for it, but that's like, we're literally stripping the earth of all of its nutrients because we don't do cross planting. And when you work on a farm, that's like an organic farm, every season they switch where the plants are located because all plants deposit and take out specific nutrients in the soil.
So if you have a field, like if we look at like Dole or something and like all they're doing is planting bananas on the same exact field for 20 years long and they're using those chemicals, then all we're doing is not only depleting the earth of its nutrition, but all the food at the same time.
S2MTS- Katie (31:07.83)
Yeah, because it's like we're trying to control the natural way that the Earth wants to regenerate itself.
Katie Dickieson (31:13.253)
Yeah, and that's, mean, the way in which we get so much of our antibodies and, or not our antibodies, but like our natural immunities is from like being in soil, like just like the nature of like, that's why grounding is so important or like getting your hands in dirt. Like there are certain things that, and that's why sometimes it can be hard if like you're only, I can't remember what it is.
Nevermind. But it was like in regards to like the nutrition that you get from soil being part of like the food that you're eating and how important that is for your immunity, for your immune system.
S2MTS- Katie (31:51.086)
Okay, so let's switch gears a little bit because you started talking about like three parties, the NRA, because I feel like this is where I had a lot of questions and I feel like this is where I had a lot of assumptions and not a lot of education in because we talked about Republican, Democrat, then there's like independent. And in my mind, I was always, I always, I always believed that you don't vote independent because it takes away the vote from Republican or Democrat. And we just know no matter what.
Katie Dickieson (31:53.737)
Goodbye.
Katie Dickieson (32:02.733)
Okay.
S2MTS- Katie (32:20.448)
Republican or Democrat are going to win because those parties are so strong, which I personally, and I feel like a lot of people actually are not this far left and far right. They resonate with somewhere in the middle. And we, I personally believe we do need a stronger third party to help what is happening in the political system. So can you educate us a little bit more on why voting for independent actually
Katie Dickieson (32:24.635)
Mm -hmm.
Katie Dickieson (32:32.539)
Mm
S2MTS- Katie (32:47.027)
has nothing to do with the numbers, but it's something bigger than that assumption.
Katie Dickieson (32:53.019)
So this is where I always get conflicted, right? Because I'll be completely honest. If I voted for who I really want to vote for in this election, I'd be voting for Jill Stein. I think she's a fabulous candidate. She is the candidate for the Green Party, right? But I'm not going to because I do still feel that right now in our political climate, like there was a...
there's like a slight chance that only if everything went perfect that she could possibly win, right? But then we also have the Electoral College and then things have always just been done these ways. So I still am of the belief that the position that we are in this time around for presidency is like vote for the lesser of two evils, you know, like make sure Trump doesn't get into office, make sure that we are safe from that fucking monster. But like, I shouldn't call him names, but.
So it's disheartening because what happens is, that, and especially with the new laws that have been passed in Congress, which they're trying to get reversed on the Democratic Party side at least, is that the NRA completely funds the Conservative Party. And then big pharma completely funds the Democratic Party.
And these are huge companies that have billions and billions of dollars to put all of this into these races and into these different parties where when you have a party like the Green Party, you don't have as much money involved in that. They don't have enough to like combat the other two parties. Another thing that I think has been an issue for a very long time and other people may be like, it's not that big of a deal, but like,
I didn't know this, because I was registered as independent for years. And when I went to go vote in the primaries at one point, they turned me away. And they're like, you can't vote in the primaries. And I was like, what do you mean I can't vote? And they were like, well, you can't vote for your presidential candidate because you're only allowed to vote Democratic or Republican. So at what point would anyone in the world feel, or anyone in the United States really feel safe about voting for an independent,
Katie Dickieson (35:06.129)
party in the actual election if the entire world has already been divided into only Democrat or Republican. And it's like, it's scary. It's not, it doesn't feel safe when they're not even given the access to even be voted for in the primary to like really even be in the running. And that's exhausting. And when you look at, so again, the Electoral College,
pisses me off because I mean, this is what happened in the first time that Trump was elected. He didn't even win the popular vote. But the only reason why the electoral college exists is because after the Civil War, when they were first like making the Constitution or like they were like putting things into place, they were worried about one party just like overtaking everything. But like that's the point of democracy is majority rule. Right. And like that's
counting each person's individual vote. When you use with the electoral college, it doesn't. It gives a certain amount of votes per 100 ,000 people per state, and it varies for different states, making different states have more, like they're worth more in, which is why all of our elections come down to swing states, which also then creates divide because then,
candidates are really only focusing on the swing states. They're not even listening to the people in other states because they just know, you're gonna vote blue, you're gonna vote red. And really, like, it didn't ever make sense. mean, personally, in my opinion, it never made sense to have an electoral college because, you know, the North did win the war and there were more people in the North. And that was the point is like, if you're going to create...
Sounds so ridiculous to me to say it like that, but I just know that people on the other side are like the South one still, which is fucking ridiculous to me. But it's just wild because they're like, we're making this democracy, but at the same time now we're changing that so that the majority won't win. And it just doesn't make any sense, which also again, makes it harder for any independent probably to ever win an election at this point because those electoral candidate or those elect.
Katie Dickieson (37:22.449)
the Electoral College, even if a state votes 51 % Democrat and 49 % Republican, that Electoral College in that state can decide, no, actually, we know better than them. That was also the part. And to add to this, the reason why, which it does make a little more sense, the Electoral College existed at that point was because information was not spread as widely. So they were worried that people would not have the information they needed to
actually cast their vote. But now in the age that we live in, it's archaic to even think that when we have information at our fucking fingertips and people are capable of making decisions on their own. So to have people make your decision for you doesn't even make any sense.
S2MTS- Katie (38:05.718)
And how do...
So how does the electoral college actually calculate its votes? if it's, if we the people, we're the majority, we're the popular vote, right? If it's not going by that, who's actually determining?
if a state is blue or if a state is red.
Katie Dickieson (38:31.105)
Those are things that I don't know all the details of except for the fact that it is the Electoral College. So they decide each state has a certain amount of votes based on the number of humans that they have in their state. That's why California is such a big state to win, right? But at the same time, in California, I think it's like there's one Electoral College vote for per 700 ,000 people.
while in another state, it'll be one vote per 100 ,000 people. So it's not equivalent at all. And then they get to decide whether or not I have to look more into how or who the people are in the electoral college. I don't know that part and I'm not gonna pretend to know, but I do know that it is chosen by the electoral college, which way the vote goes.
S2MTS- Katie (39:22.946)
I wonder why the votes, I think it's interesting, like some areas, there's less, like the ratios are different, right? I wonder what determines that because I don't know, this is just me trying to analytically think and put like my own knowledge in little pieces together, but I wonder if it has anything to do with like, I think about like redlining.
Katie Dickieson (39:47.065)
Okay, so this is part of it and I will tell you. Because do you know about the Three -Fifths Compromise?
S2MTS- Katie (39:58.2)
feel like I want to say yes, but explain it.
Katie Dickieson (40:00.835)
So after, so well actually when people were still enslaved, the South wanted to be able to have more votes because they didn't have as many people. And so the three -fifths compromise was created, which meant that people who were enslaved were worth three -fifths of a vote. So they use that in order to
have more votes for the South, even though those votes would just be counted as whoever was their master, you know? And so it does make sense that like it made you think of redlining because that is one of the parts of how that came to be was creating, well treating people as less than a whole human.
S2MTS- Katie (40:51.82)
Yes, yes, I did know. Yes, I do know that. didn't know that's what it was called. But yes, absolutely. And then when you take that, when you add that in addition to dehumanizing black people.
Katie Dickieson (41:04.272)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (41:06.114)
then I also think about women, right? Like women weren't even able to vote. At all.
Katie Dickieson (41:13.136)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (41:14.392)
So, and then of course, like with redlining, it's, cause if it's a ratio, if this area of people are getting this strong of a voice and a presence in the vote and how this is going, I think about redlining and how we have used real estate, which is one of my favorite wealth building tools, to create more division in classes, in education, in literally, I feel like every category they've used redlining to.
keep people poor, and that usually is black and brown people, and keeping the white more wealthy. And I even saw this statistic about redlining where it's hotter in those redlined areas because they have less trees, and it's actually cooler in more affluent areas because they have more access to greenery, trees, and that type of thing. Like we talk about food deserts, we talk about all of those things that are happening with redlining, and I want to remind people that
Katie Dickieson (41:49.243)
Mm -hmm.
S2MTS- Katie (42:14.295)
This has been going on, like this is, this is fairly recent. Like this is not something that was so long ago that we're not feeling the impacts today. I remember talking to my husband, my husband's dad, and they own a property here in Colorado. It's a rental property and they were able to acquire that property because his mom purchased it.
but his mom was only able to purchase it because another black person owned it she was only allowed to buy from another black person.
Katie Dickieson (42:52.069)
God.
S2MTS- Katie (42:53.25)
And it's like, that wasn't that long ago. And that was in Colorado, who is a very progressive state and da, da, da, da, da, like, it's, we are still feeling those types of things. And.
Katie Dickieson (42:57.253)
No.
Katie Dickieson (43:07.285)
People are still alive who have had these experiences happen and I'm like immediately to them. It's not like this was like four generations ago.
It's like, no, my grandma.
S2MTS- Katie (43:20.84)
Yeah, because like when you think about when, when you think about segregation, desegregation, when desegregation was happening, when you think about like Martin Luther King Jr., when you think about the Holocaust, they were very similarly placed on the timeline. It's just we've I feel like right when we think about whitewashing of history, when we are using
black and white photos to make it appear like it much longer ago, and it really wasn't that long ago, it's just, I don't know how we got on this topic. We keep going on these little side rants.
Katie Dickieson (43:50.378)
yeah.
Katie Dickieson (44:00.21)
Well, because the thing is, and just like you said in the very beginning of this, though, is that this is is proof, right? This is proof that like politics are are most of the topics that people talk about being political aren't political, they're humanitarian. And this is like the perfect example of the tangents that we keep going on and how it keeps getting to these parts, because this is the impact it has. This is why politics are so important. This is why it's so important to know
what happens in politics and what you actually want to vote for and what's important to you because this is how it impacts our entire lives.
S2MTS- Katie (44:37.742)
Yeah, 100%. I saw this on, I saw this on TikTok. I don't know if this is 100 % true. I would definitely need to like fact check it and you know, research it because you can't believe everything on the internet is true. Especially on TikTok and Instagram or X or whatever social media platform. But she was talking about how Finland for like seven years in a row is one of like the happiest countries. And she said,
Katie Dickieson (44:50.747)
Yeah.
Katie Dickieson (45:04.465)
Scandinavia always is.
S2MTS- Katie (45:06.614)
She started like going through some of the statistics of why, like, like they've, they've, they've really cracked down and figured out how to help the unhoused population by providing housing for these communities, by having programs to help them rehabilitate themselves back into being able to, you know, find housing on their own and have a job. And I think like all of the main women in government were women.
And I'm like, that's why it's so peaceful there. And that's why it's so happy. And that's why they are refocusing on the people first and building a culture of their country around that belief system. And it's like so interesting how we see the United States and really a lot of the other places around the world. the United States is an easy one to call on to since we live here, where it's all white. I shouldn't say all. It's majority.
white men that are in power. And I'm not even talking about politics. Yes, that is a category. But majority of white men are controlling our politics, which means that's our policies, our media, our movies, which is, I feel like media and movies is such an integral portion of creating culture within our society.
Katie Dickieson (46:28.825)
our businesses.
Katie Dickieson (46:36.283)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (46:37.282)
businesses, corporations, literally, I just learned about the bamboo ceiling. was at my office and I spoke to this woman and we started chatting, we started talking because I really want to start to build more communities in Colorado that are focused on women of color because I feel like there's a lot of white communities that you can network and grow contacts with to help grow your business.
So many of the women of color that I speak to that are going to these events just don't feel seen. They don't feel validated. They don't feel like they are able to get as much from those spaces. And I'm like, okay, instead of being mad about this, let me create my own space. Let's try and bridge this gap. And so I was telling her about it and she works in DEI and she was telling me about the bamboo ceiling. I was like, what is the bamboo ceiling? Because me being Asian, we were talking about, you know,
Katie Dickieson (47:24.379)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (47:34.998)
racism that's happening in the workplace, all equity, inclusion, all of the things. And it was the stereotypes around Asians and how they hit a quote unquote glass ceiling, but they call it the bamboo ceiling because they're Asian and how they will always get to a certain point, but past that certain point, it's still indoctrinated with white males.
because the Asians will kind of like carry them. And since there's this stereotype around Asian people that we're submissive, that we're smart, that we basically don't have a backbone, that they will kind of cap them. Like, thank you for getting us this high. We have capitalized off of you, but we're gonna take all the credit now. And how often does that happen for the Latino community, for the Black community, for an...
Katie Dickieson (48:24.005)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (48:32.098)
I don't even want to start getting down the rabbit hole of people living with disabilities. Like how many people living with disabilities do we see at the top of corporations?
Katie Dickieson (48:42.385)
That was the funniest thing when I'm looking at my branding right now and looking at my voice and I'm just figuring out who my primary audience is and everything. And it was so funny because my coach the other day was just like, okay, I want you to put names and real faces to these. And she was like, so who would be your primary? And I was like, wow, I'm fucked up right now because the only person I can think of who's in charge of a corporation that is autistic is Elon Musk and fuck him. Like, no.
And I was like, I really have to look into this because I, because so many, especially with autism, and, that's why I want to do the coaching I want to do is that what I've found is that if they are neurodivergent, they are lying about it because they are so fearful of what will happen if people find out that they are yet they also want to create more inclusive spaces. And so that's why I want to work with these people to help them feel more confident about like,
who they are and how their gifts literally can help make these spaces safer for everybody and by them being comfortable with who they are.
S2MTS- Katie (49:53.291)
The beauty in that though, Katie is like, yes, it's sad, right? That's why representation matters. That's why creating equity and spaces for historically oppressed groups to have a bigger platform is so important is it's almost like you get to play with your imagination and like truly create like who this person is. And like girlfriend, I'm like, you get to basically create yourself as an avatar, but on like Elon Musk, like wealth level.
Katie Dickieson (50:23.247)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking about. was like, wow, this is crazy. I'm like, all I got is Elon Musk and Eminem and I can't do anything with either of those. I love Eminem, but it's just, that's not my, that's not my avatar.
S2MTS- Katie (50:36.8)
hilarious. Okay, so let's talk about, because you said this a little bit earlier, let's talk about what are reliable ways to do research so you can start making more educated decisions in how you want to move forward next.
Katie Dickieson (50:59.451)
That's such a good question. And I really want to piggyback off something you said earlier that I think is super important because I feel like trying to get into politics or seeing what is right is kind of like the same thing as like when you first find out about wellness. And like for me, it was like going from eating McDonald's twice a day, smoking two packs of cigarettes a day to being a vegan, gluten -free dairy, like cut everything out, you know? And it's just like overwhelming. And then you lose all your hair and stress is going to kill you faster than anything.
It's like we try to go zero to 100 and it doesn't work. And I think, and that was really hard for me to learn because honestly, there's no way in hell four years ago, I would have ever been on this podcast with you because all of my fingers and toes would have been bleeding. My hair would have been falling out because at that time in my life, politics caused me so much stress and I didn't know how to deal with it. And I also didn't know how to
create boundaries. I knew what I believed for and I knew what I stood for, but I was real fucking angry and I had no other feelings but anger. And so now it's really easy for me to just like not pay attention to anything and not in a way that's like, I don't care. But in a way that's like, I know where I'm getting my information from, or I care about looking at things and I'm not going to waste my time getting upset about Trump. You know, when he says something stupid, I'm going to be like, yep.
He said something stupid because that's what he does. You know, like to allow people like this to impact us is just doing more harm to us than any good of like feeling that like intensity inside of us. So just for people to keep that in mind when they start going down these holes of like trying to figure out where they can look. I think the most important thing that you said in the beginning, though, is like about how your husband said, like, I love how you look at everything because
When you go into mindfully, if you want to go into watching news, but you don't have to, but if you did, like if you go into mindfully watching news just to see the biases on both sides, know, like watch Fox News and then watch the same segment on CNN and then watch the same segment on PBS. Because one of the best things of advice a friend gave me four years ago was she was like,
Katie Dickieson (53:18.807)
If you want to get news and you don't want it to be like triggering and it's just like giving you what it is, watch PBS. It's very like, just, it's way more low key. It's not as triggering. It's just like, you're getting everything that you need. I think PBS is like one of the best, like I'll, if I'm ever going to watch anything, the debates, everything I watch on PBS. But the other thing too is,
So learning your intuition from that, looking at the biases, figuring out what feels comfortable for you. But I'm also going to give you a list to put into the notes section of this podcast that involves different things like the fact checking websites and where are some other, I have a whole list of resources. So one second, let me get to it just so I can tell you what they are.
Katie Dickieson (54:22.671)
Where is it? Sorry.
S2MTS- Katie (54:28.524)
while you're looking for that too, I think you made a really, really good point, which is use your intuition. Trust your intuition. Use your critical thinking skills. If you hear something and something doesn't sound right, and I think one of the easiest ways to pinpoint that for like, okay, I'm trying to to listen to my intuition, Kelly, I'm trying to figure all of this out.
Katie Dickieson (54:37.166)
Yeah.
Katie Dickieson (54:45.253)
Mm -hmm.
S2MTS- Katie (54:56.298)
If you hear people using language that are absolutes, question it. If it's all, it's saying the entire population of people, if they are using absolute language, it's all or nothing, question that. I remember I was on TikTok and, I can't remember his name, but I cannot stand him. He is always debating people. He...
Katie Dickieson (55:00.986)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (55:22.903)
uses really big language so he sounds very intellectually smart but like
Katie Dickieson (55:27.129)
can't stand people like that. I'm like, use words people know.
S2MTS- Katie (55:30.35)
And but he's doing it to mask, right? He's doing it to try and belittle and put people down. And he always uses absolutes. And I remember, I don't know if you get on this TikTok, but it'll be like these really, really pretentious, ignorant white men debating like college students that are more progressive and more liberal because they care more about human rights. And I remember they were debating about
I don't know specifically, I don't remember specifically, but it was about being trans transgendered. And he said something like, there are, there is no species in the world that can switch or is transgendered or whatever. And he said, he said, as soon as he said there are zero species, right? Absolutely. There's absolutely nothing. That immediately made me go, huh, I wonder if that's true or not. And I went and I Googled and I was like, actually,
Katie Dickieson (56:14.885)
That is not true.
Katie Dickieson (56:21.264)
Yeah.
Katie Dickieson (56:29.681)
There's many.
S2MTS- Katie (56:31.082)
There are many animals that can literally change their internal reproductive systems. There are animals that can mask and switch, basically like code switch, whether they want to be male or female. There are some species that are born one sex and then they evolve into another one. And I was like, he's so wrong. And he's literally because he's using big words and he's literally talking out of his ass. So he just said that to sound right.
Katie Dickieson (56:49.157)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (57:00.638)
Anytime you have that little intuitive, like, hmm, that doesn't sound right. I don't know about that. Is that true? Like question it. And I would question even if they're Democrat, independent, I don't care who they are. I'm going to question it if it doesn't sound or feel right in my body. I'm not going to let, I'm not going to let external sources sway me one direction or the other because I'm so attuned to my morals, my values, the level of integrity that I see.
Katie Dickieson (57:14.918)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (57:31.02)
that society as a whole needs to be shifted towards. And I'm gonna question it. I'm gonna question it at all. Like, I feel like as kids we're always shunned from questioning. Like, we need to build that skill back. We need to question everything all of the time. We can't, like seriously, we're gonna trust the government? Like, come on.
Katie Dickieson (57:49.529)
And also, it's really fucking weird to me how that is constantly used as a debate is comparing us to animals and like I am an animal lover. I got a dog. I fucking love animals. Absolutely love animals. But I think it's really strange when arguments come from comparing us to animals when like there's not really anything to compare. Like it's weird. Like, do you want us to be part of the animal kingdom? Because if so, a lion's going to kill you. Like
I don't understand. It's so strange to me when that's what people's debates are about is like, yeah, but this isn't how kangaroos work. And it's like, I'm not trying to be a kangaroo. Like, what?
What the fuck are you talking about?
S2MTS- Katie (58:36.024)
Did you find your resources?
Katie Dickieson (58:37.689)
Yes. So I'm going to give these to you again to put into the notes section, but there is a reference for the Electoral College. It's the biography of America's peculiar creation through the eyes of the people who shaped it. There's another place that you can go. It is called the Brennan Center for Justice, and it's for policy analysis and electoral reform and fact check.
dot org is huge or PolitiFact. Merchants of doubt explore as a misinformation tactics, which is, feel like what you just said is like by saying things that are absolutes. Then in regards to Israel and Palestine, the Hundred Years War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi for historical context. And then
Bad Pharma by Ben Goldacre for insights into pharmaceutical companies influence. And then specifically, I feel like these are all more for like people who go really in depth. So I don't want people to get like super overwhelmed. I don't think you need to like, for instance, I am not a fucking like political advisor. I am not someone who like knows everything to do with this, which is why I say no to the things or.
things that I don't understand, but that doesn't mean that you can't be informed, but you don't have to know everything to know what you stand for. But like also there's opensecrets .org, which you can track the money in politics, which I find interesting.
S2MTS- Katie (01:00:17.838)
that is interesting. And I would also, I just have to put this out there because it reminded me of a moment that I had. And sometimes you have to fact check your resources. And I see that I remember, I remember when I had my old podcast with my podcast partner and it was around the time that Roe V Wade was overturned.
Katie Dickieson (01:00:29.912)
Yes.
S2MTS- Katie (01:00:43.374)
and we were putting content out there talking about abortion, talking about Roe v Wade, and I can't remember exactly what I said, but I said something because I went down a rabbit hole of really learning about the history around abortion. And I learned that evangelical Christians, white men that were
In the church, it was the time of desegregation. Again, they felt like they were losing power and they didn't want to lose that power. They didn't want the schools to be desegregated. They then weaponized. They were like, well, how can we cause more separation? How can we gain power? That's traditionally, that's how they've done it. We will cause division to gain power. We'll control the narrative to gain power.
Katie Dickieson (01:01:14.523)
Yep.
S2MTS- Katie (01:01:38.01)
And at that time it was around abortion. But if you looked at old, old, old, I forget, like, I don't want to say scriptures, but like old quotes from these leaders, they believe before desegregation, they believe that a baby was a baby at its first breath.
Katie Dickieson (01:01:59.697)
until it was born. Yup.
S2MTS- Katie (01:02:02.574)
And then it switched, they switched their whole game. started having preachers literally start to preach this to like get all of the people on board. And it completely shifted culture. And we were talking about that on social media. And of course you get the trolls that are like, that's not true. And I'm like, listen, I'm open to having a conversation. I'm open to having a...
productive debate and this guy kept throwing me all of these resources because I'd be like, hey, I'm I'm if that's what you believe I'm open like give me the resources. Let me read it and I'll find out like let's really talk about this and he was sending me all these resources and I was like baby boy, would you not like they did all of these quotations and they sourced it but did you not click on those sources? Did you not realize that the website that you sent me was
Katie Dickieson (01:02:35.365)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (01:02:52.482)
created by like pro pro lifers, which pro life I think is so stupid. Like pro choice does not mean we're against pro life like we are for pro life still but whatever. And it was like it's a pro life website. So of course the whole narrative is going to support what he wants to be true. I click on one of the quotes and it takes me to a different website. And it's literally he took the quote out of context.
Katie Dickieson (01:02:59.067)
Yeah.
S2MTS- Katie (01:03:20.87)
And when you read the whole thing, it was actually pro -choice. And so I sent it back to him and I told him that. then I was like, well, you sent me also Wikipedia. Boo, Wikipedia is not a credible resource. I can literally go into Wikipedia and change this to say whatever I want. So that's just not a credible resource. So I'm not going to take that into consideration. But the conversation basically ended after I like.
Katie Dickieson (01:03:24.593)
you
S2MTS- Katie (01:03:45.976)
told him to go read the resources. So again, sometimes you need resources for the resources. So if you see that again, it's it's it's leading with curiosity. It's leading with intuition. Like for me, I'm like, is there a quote, but it's not the whole thing. Like it doesn't make sense to me. I like I need to explore this more. So I just lead with that.
Katie Dickieson (01:04:03.587)
And yeah, and even today, like even the topics that we're talking about, like I'm sure people are gonna be triggered by this conversation. And I would invite anyone who's listening, if they wanna have a conversation with me, I promise I won't be mean. I know I come off aggressive, but I won't be mean to you. But also like, you can check on the things I've said, because I also speak out of my ass a lot. Like, I mean, I could have like miss said something that sometime, especially like,
With autism, sometimes my words aren't conveyed the way that I actually want them to be, but it's like, be curious about learning about the things I've even talked about today and forming your own opinion about them. Like, I'm not here to tell people how they're supposed to think. I feel like it's more, I'm telling you like how to figure out how to think for yourself, you know? People don't need to agree with everything that I say. And I don't, I'm not here to...
sway people into believing what I believe in, but more so just learning for themselves and not just taking a side because your husband did or your dad or mom did, or that this is just how your family's always voted your entire lives. Like really look into the impacts of what voting for each candidate will mean to you. And the other part too is that like, I don't a hundred percent agree with everything that Kamala has said.
I'm voting for her and I'm willing to admit that. I am against a lot of things that she has stood for, one of them being the genocide in Palestine right now. But like I said in the beginning, at this point for me, what feels safest is to make sure that we keep Trump out of office and also have a fucking female president for once.
S2MTS- Katie (01:05:50.946)
black president, biracial president.
Katie Dickieson (01:05:52.483)
Yeah, black, a biracial, well, black president that is also a woman, our first female president, like it's a really big fucking deal. And regardless of if I agree with everything that she says, having a woman of color in office for representation alone will make waves in this world.
S2MTS- Katie (01:06:16.002)
Yeah, I echo that. echo. Yeah, I love I love that you said even like if parts of this conversation is triggering. Use that that is such a big gift. Being triggered is such a gift. It is such a mirror into you getting to go into the depths of your heart and soul and unlock unpack and unlayered different pieces of you. Why is this triggering to me? That's where the growth happens. That's where the evolution happens. So I'm so happy that you said that like challenge this like I don't
I never want anyone to just believe 100 % of what I say all of the time, even though I'm usually right because I'm just right, but like...
Katie Dickieson (01:06:55.782)
I should have said that instead of being like my words get fumbled. I'm like no I'm right.
S2MTS- Katie (01:06:59.534)
Like, you know, it is what it is. That's me being factual. Like, I am usually always fucking right.
Okay, so yeah.
Katie Dickieson (01:07:14.353)
I want to ask you something because I know we're coming to the end because I want to make sure that this is conveyed and I know that we've talked about it a lot through the podcast, but like, what does this mean for women trying to build wealth and what does it, why is it important for us to build wealth to make an impact in this world? Like how does all this come together?
S2MTS- Katie (01:07:37.272)
Katie, I love you. I feel like we're always on the same frequency. It's like my favorite. I was literally gonna ask you, okay, now that we have some education, we have some resources, it's also important to talk about past, just knowing what it is and how do we move forward? How do we actually create the change, right? And so for me personally, I always see that as wealth building, especially for women. And then if you take that a layer deeper, especially for women of color,
Katie Dickieson (01:07:59.345)
Mm
S2MTS- Katie (01:08:07.148)
And if you take that deeper for any historically marginalized group. Because I truly believe that when we can get more wealth in those hands, the people that like, it's almost like I asked you, it's like Katie and I asking my audience, if I gave you a billion dollars tomorrow, what would you do? And so often I get things coming back to me of
how it's gonna make the world a better place. I would create the scholarship, I would create this foundation, I would create this nonprofit, I would help women that are leaving domestic abuse relationships. would be, the answers are always so beautiful. And that is why it's so important. And then when we think about the politics, like we said, as opposed to the NRA and Big Pharma being the head honchos controlling the politicians.
We get to go into those third parties. We get to go into the politicians that are actually aligned to help the people and we get to fund those things. So many times I feel like we see ourselves as we can't do it. We don't have the power. We can't do it. We're too small. My vote doesn't matter. Like all of these things we lead into the victimization of our circumstances. And as opposed to pouring energy into I don't know how or this is too big of a problem.
whatever it may be, how do we alchemize that energy into being the solution we want to see? Finding people that we get to collaborate with that are aligned with those missions so we can build wealth quicker, so we can build it faster. How do we start to build a healthy relationship with money and stop seeing it as this evil thing, this thing that's hard to make, this thing that we have to sacrifice everything about our being to be able to produce? When we can shift our relationship with money and start building a
I'm talking about Delusional, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and those are just the people that like to have the clout around money. I think about the people that we don't see that have so much money because they don't want to be in the public eye. When we can get that kind of money, what change do we get to see in the world? How do we get to live our lives differently? How do we get to change the culture around we just...
S2MTS- Katie (01:10:30.882)
work a nine to five and we work our asses off and we barely make ends meet and we see people around us on the streets addicted to drugs, having zero opportunity just because of their circumstances. Like there's just so much that we get to change the world when it comes to money. And when we start really owning that, especially as women, especially as women of color,
especially as other historically marginalized groups that have always said that we can't, we're just another statistic saying that we're making a quarter of what white men are, we get to change everything. And this is the fucking movement that I want to create. This is why I'm so passionate about wealth, because it gets to be such a catalyst for positive change in the world. And it's so easy.
Like money is infinite. Like if we want to talk about the government, the government prints it like it's literally imaginary. So start thinking about money being imaginary. Like it gets to be easy. It gets to be fun. It gets to be effortless. It gets to be in that frequency. So Katie, for you, I think the change is money and getting the money in the hands of the correct people so we can create the change. What is your big catalyst? What is your thing that you feel like?
you would love to see more of to help create the change we want to see.
Katie Dickieson (01:12:00.849)
So it's funny because I've just taken such a step back from social media and everything the past two months and this has been like really heavy on my mind just because I feel like I've constantly for so long in my life been a person that's like burn it all to the ground, know, and start fresh. But in all honesty, if we really look at it, like that possibility for burning everything to the ground and starting fresh is
honestly way harder than if we just start to dismantle or change systems from within the way that they are right now. And which is annoying to hear. Definitely the Aries enemy's pissed about that. Cause I'm like, no, I want to burn everything to the ground. But again, that goes back to like making things polarizing and making things like black and white and all this. And so for me, money for sure is a huge one, but also like the way that I look at it is like,
big corporations, like working to change the way that we work as a society and really starting front. And that's why I've transitioned into leadership or people who are neurodiverse in leadership role positions to really like, I like to always say that I don't believe, believe in trickle -down economics, but I believe in trickle -down enlightenment. And so like, if I can work with people in places of leadership that
have these beliefs as well, but just don't know how to implement them into the space that they're in right now, then that's where we can start really seeing systemic change happening, especially if we're in big corporations that have those amounts of money, you know, like that have that much ability to put money into things. Then, I mean, when you start swaying a company that way and they actually see how it profits them and how it actually makes the space better and how it has, how it creates more retention,
you might start seeing the way that they're voting with their money change as well.
S2MTS- Katie (01:14:04.714)
Yeah, that's such a good point. It's, it's, I believe in that wholeheartedly as well. Like the leadership is everything, right? Like we look at the political leaders and see how that's trickled down into our society and the division. So I love that you said that you're, I'm so excited that you are leaning more into this because it's so important. It's, it's, it's literally going to change so much. And it's going to not only help the leaders at the top, but the impacts.
that everyone else gets to benefit from because of the leadership changing is so monumental. People get to hire based on more than just a resume and a legacy admission. So I love all of this, Katie. You're amazing. Let everyone know how they can work with you, how they can find you on social media, how they can connect with you.
Katie Dickieson (01:14:52.367)
Yeah.
Katie Dickieson (01:15:04.469)
yeah, I'm going through like a complete rebirth, guess myself right now. but I still, I'm on Instagram at Katie Dickison. my Facebook is Katherine Dickison, LinkedIn's Katherine Dickison, or I think it's Katie Dickison now. And then my website is katydickison .com.
Honestly, like any of those ways, just DM me or email me from my website, whatever, whichever way you like to get in contact best, I'll somehow get it.
S2MTS- Katie (01:15:37.374)
All right, Katie, anything else you want to leave everybody with?
Katie Dickieson (01:15:41.329)
I feel like there was something that I wanted to leave everybody with. Let me see if I missed anything in my notes. honestly, just
I think the most important part is when it comes down to these things, like trying not to become, trying not to come from such a divisive mindset and also to be gentle with yourself. Like I think so many times when we get into these spaces of activism and wanting to really like fight the good fight, we can burn ourselves out and we end up hurting ourselves more. And at the end of the day, I think like, I think the best.
advice I've ever gotten was actually from a girl I had on my or a woman I had on my podcast. Her name is Raven Royce and she's Palestinian and she's just phenomenal. And what she explained to me because I was really struggling with like making sure everyone's doing the right thing. And I have to like help everybody know what they're doing. And cause all of a sudden, once we get enlightened in some way, we all of a sudden think it's our job to tell everybody else how to be enlightened too.
And like, it's really fucking annoying when people are like that and you are probably polarized by them and don't want to be near them at all. So it's really not helpful at all when we are trying to be activists in these areas of the world by forcing these things down people's throats, you know? And the best thing that she explained was she was like, you know, as people who are in this space,
We are the frontliners. And when you're a frontliner, your job is not to turn around and tell everyone what they're doing wrong. Your job is to push forward. And in order to push forward, you cannot be concerned with trying to control everything else that's behind you because you're leading by example. And that's why you're the person who's pushing forward. And that takes a lot of self -awareness and taking care of yourself and self -care and making sure that
Katie Dickieson (01:17:46.181)
you're able to do that and that the reasons behind what you're doing are not like to try to prove anything to people that like you're really living in your integrity to push forward what you believe in.
S2MTS- Katie (01:18:00.931)
mic drop Thank you for that. I like I'm like, I feel like I'm getting reminded because you know We're changing the world. It's no big y 'all. It gets really heavy. Sometimes I cry at night. You never know But thank you for that. That was
Katie Dickieson (01:18:02.245)
you
S2MTS- Katie (01:18:17.858)
That was a beautiful way to end this. Thank you so much, Katie, for your time. I'm so grateful for you. And I'm so grateful to have someone in my life where we can have these types of conversations. So thank you for showing up for my community today and showing up for yourself today. I love you.
Katie Dickieson (01:18:31.685)
I love you too, thanks for having me.